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Blogs, Small Press, SPI, and Rambling...

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I'm a rambler... always have been and probably always will be... Give me a place to write something and I will most likely give in and do it. ;) I've been thinking a lot about this small press thing recently and why it's actually a good place to be a lot of the time. I'm sure a lot of people in the small press world have dreams of some day making it into a large publisher and are even saving some of their "A" ideas for said trip to the big leagues... I've heard stories of people not putting their best foot forward in writing, in art, etc, all because it's "small press". Now, I have to ask, why is that? If you consider every book circulating the world with your name on it as a printed resume, every PDF an electronic one, every web comic a posted job board, why would you NOT put your best out there? Ideas are a dime a dozen, it's what you do with them that matters. If you use your "A" game today, people are more likely to notice when they get their hands on the final product and ask you what's next.
With Faction, for example, it was never a "B" idea. I had other ideas I was focusing on primarily when I was mulling over whether or not to take part in Small Press Idol, but I would never label any of my ideas as second rate. Worst case, if I have an idea that just pops in my head, by the time a script gets in front of an artist, there has been so much behind the scenes brainstorming, world building, character development, etc, that I can answer just about any question someone throws at me.
Another problem with throwing second rate books out there is that it only helps to perpetuate the idea that small press is second rate entertainment. If you look at my music collection, you'll see everything from albums made in a garage to something overproduced to the point that it's almost comical. Comparison? DIY may mean you have limited means to get something done, but it doesn't mean what you put forward should have any less thought than something you're turning in for a submission to a big name or those dust covered scripts you won't share with anyone because you're waiting until you "make it" to show them to some hot shot editor. Forget it, get the good stuff out, save the second stringers for when you've had time to think more about them.
one thing I noticed with Small Press Idol this year is that a LOT of people took it very seriously.... Some may not have taken promotion seriously (I'll get back to that), but I could really tell people tried with their entries... Maybe a couple of exceptions, but that's always going to happen. I could argue that everyone passionately believed in their ideas and thought they were marketable to some degree... Some were most likely self-conscious, have self-defeatist attitudes, etc, but I think that always happens. Did the best projects make it to round 4? Did the best project win? I'd argue no. Don't take that the wrong way, I think 4 great projects made it to Round 4, but a combination of self-consciousness and lack of marketing skills caused some projects deserving of further development to flounder and fail in rounds 2 and 3, which is a bummer. I'm not knocking on my nor any other project in the competition, just commenting that a combination of self-confidence and marketing could have helped a few projects to become real contenders and take the prize. Could have been a real slugfest!
Now for my rant on marketing.... I've heard people all over the web comment about comic book sales, the economy, yadda yadda yadda.... Do I think that the economy is an issue? Absolutely... What it doesn't mean is that comic books fail because of the economy. Comic books fail because people don't try. Before you get angry with the comment and say something like, "I've been doing this for X years and this worked and that worked," remember... just because it worked yesterday, doesn't mean it will work today. We're in a world of cell phones, wireless computers, internet shopping, and short attention spans. If you can't grab someone's attention using those mediums, you're not going to get sales. Your target audience is out there for ANY book, no matter the quality (note comments above, you should not be putting out crap). The challenge, by definition, is not to market except to your demographic... find out who your demographic is (pre-teen video game junkies, ex-cons, or recovering RPGers for example), market to them, where they live and breathe online and on the stands... Then and only then will you get the sales you deserve... You could also use my approach... carpet bomb... Law of averages, if you cover everywhere, you're likely to hit some people! See where the hits are coming from and focus there, cultivate, and grow....
The most important thing I can't stress enough is no matter how good you may think your idea is.... no matter how good it may be... If YOU don't put yourself out there, let people see it, ask people to look at it, ask people to buy it, they're not going to magically discover it on their own and purchase it. That's self-defeatist. Do we want to go out and spend our time marketing a lot? Well... no (I don't mind so much) we want to create! But we also want food on the tables and if no one is buying our products, eventually the novelty is going to ware off, no?


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Erik, you're a wise man.  I have to say that reading over your comments, I'm reminded of many things that I went over with my team last night.  What I would like to say as well though, is that making it to round four made each contestant a winner.  We're published, each of us.  For some it may be a first, for others not so much.  Regardless though we've all got one more project out there being read by our audience.  
In any contest there can be only one true winner.  But what I think is even more interesting is where all the runner ups go from here.  How we each capitalize on the hype that was generated by Dimestore, and the SPI.  

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Paul, I agree with you 100%. I knew back in Round 1 that there was a very good chance I wouldn't even make it to Round 4, it was all a matter of the battle fought ~ product, drive, and marketing.  We can all look at SPI, whether the dream died in rounds 1 or 4, as an opportunity to take the lessons learned and apply them to the project moving forward. For some, I'm sure, they will work on other projects. For man, I hope, they will continue to drive on with the same project and try to make it work regardless of where their journey in SPI ended.  Even for the winners of SPI, the contest is a start for them, just one where they know where the book will be printed. We all face the same struggles going forward…. How do we get people to see our books and buy them? Even if we sell 10, 100, or 1000 copies, we always want to find a way to reach more people…. We just need to figure out how to do it. ;)

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I always liked the ad swap idea..an ad for an ad…
Even another book of all ads would be nice…even if it was just a pdf…exposure is exposure…big or small…it all helps.

GJ

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GRIMJIM said

I always liked the ad swap idea..an ad for an ad…
Even another book of all ads would be nice…even if it was just a pdf…exposure is exposure…big or small…it all helps.

GJ
Hey, that's an idea…. let's do a Small Press Penny Saver!

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SP! magazine out soon!

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Well Erik.  I can say on our side, I've started working with a team now.  Trying to learn from many aspects here.  One man cannot accomplish by himself what an organized team can.  So I've got a group of people putting their heads together to get The Underground out there.  In doing so, at least a couple of these group members will be crossing over to Dimestore members, and contributors.  Onwards and upwards for all.

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TheLastBard said

GRIMJIM said

I always liked the ad swap idea..an ad for an ad…
Even another book of all ads would be nice…even if it was just a pdf…exposure is exposure…big or small…it all helps.

GJ
Hey, that's an idea…. let's do a Small Press Penny Saver!

Erik-I have tried for some time now, to get a pdf ad zine going and offered FREE ads but nobody even wanted to do that.

GJ


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GRIMJIM said

Erik-I have tried for some time now, to get a pdf ad zine going and offered FREE ads but nobody even wanted to do that.

GJ

What about doing a PDF with previews, ads, and such? I bet we could get something together and send it all over creation… No printed version, just files, low res PDF. No? Maybe a suggestion I should make elsewhere and we can even see if we can get Ian to send to his rather large SPA list on Facebook, etc…

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TheLastBard said

What about doing a PDF with previews, ads, and such? I bet we could get something together and send it all over creation… No printed version, just files, low res PDF. No? Maybe a suggestion I should make elsewhere and we can even see if we can get Ian to send to his rather large SPA list on Facebook, etc…

At one time there was a comic company called Proletariat, who put out a quarterly prose/sequential zine that was not only quite well received but also very good. They ended up going belly up because the guy who ran it lost his house in a flood and had other priorities. At one point you could still get issues 1 and 2 through WOWIO but I don't know about that anymore. I think something of that nature, a mixture of stories, ads, reviews, OP/ED stuff, and the like could really appeal to a pretty broad audience if it got put out regularly, was of HIGH QUALITY (meaning the art and production doesn't suck!) and the word spread far enough. But then I'm a dreamer.

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Cary said

TheLastBard said

What about doing a PDF with previews, ads, and such? I bet we could get something together and send it all over creation… No printed version, just files, low res PDF. No? Maybe a suggestion I should make elsewhere and we can even see if we can get Ian to send to his rather large SPA list on Facebook, etc…

My publication GNOME was a pdf zine with art, articles, news and reviews and ADS, but when i tried to get folks to send more in for issue #2, nothing happened! People are too lax at times.
GJ

At one time there was a comic company called Proletariat, who put out a quarterly prose/sequential zine that was not only quite well received but also very good. They ended up going belly up because the guy who ran it lost his house in a flood and had other priorities. At one point you could still get issues 1 and 2 through WOWIO but I don't know about that anymore. I think something of that nature, a mixture of stories, ads, reviews, OP/ED stuff, and the like could really appeal to a pretty broad audience if it got put out regularly, was of HIGH QUALITY (meaning the art and production doesn't suck!) and the word spread far enough. But then I'm a dreamer.

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TheLastBard said

What about doing a PDF with previews, ads, and such? I bet we could get something together and send it all over creation… No printed version, just files, low res PDF. No? Maybe a suggestion I should make elsewhere and we can even see if we can get Ian to send to his rather large SPA list on Facebook, etc…
That is EXACTLY what Sneak Peek was, when we tested it in such format early this year, and it was decently received - but we're going to move up to Self Publisher! Magazine…Free to Gold Members, AND available as a paper mag, wherever we can get it out…if people support it, it'll be what everyone wants!

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Maybe if we do another Sneak Peek, it should be a free PDF download, not just for gold members... Self Publisher Magazine, though, is going to be free to gold members?

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gotbugs said

I've started working with a team now… One man cannot accomplish by himself what an organized team can… at least a couple of these group members will be crossing over to Dimestore members, and contributors.
Paul, you're right, as an artist especially, you can't do everything on your own. Since I write and letter only, it freed up a lot of time to do the promoting and such. Cool that you're going to bring some others over to DS, too.

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Ok look I'm not ragging a Sneak Peak type thing really, but why? Why not put out something with real substance? Get people to submit short stories, short fiction, write OP/ED stuff, and make a REAL zine, not a preview of other stuff yet to come, if ever. Me personally, I could care less about previews. I don't want to see them. I want the real thing. To me previews can be deceptive and not at all representative of the end product. I'm not saying you can't rock something of that nature within the framework of the zine because you can. I'm saying don't let that be the CORE of what you're doing. Give people content. Give them a REASON to even open the thing or click to download it. That way you build a readership, a fan base, and ultimately a larger community.

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TheLastBard said

Maybe if we do another Sneak Peek, it should be a free PDF download, not just for gold members… Self Publisher Magazine, though, is going to be free to gold members?



the last one WAS free to everyone, account or no…

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well, that's why I shut Sneak Peak down in favor of Self Publisher! Magazine….

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You're so fired.

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TheLastBard said

You're so fired.
Who's fired? Ian or Cary?
GJ

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Both of 'em.

Look, I can understand some people don't like previews, but a lot of people do... When it comes to ordering product, for stores or otherwise, unless you know the creative team already (past work), see a preview, or read stellar reviews, what's the likelihood you're going to buy the book? I mean you can always hope that people will look at the cover and maybe give it a shot, but then we're back to the short attention span... Cover could be great, just like a preview, but it doesn't mean the content overall is good. It's always the risk you're going to take, but I'd rather look at a preview than buy something based on a cover and have it turn out that the artist inside is different or something stupid like that.... In many instances I've seen covers done by the same team, but when you look inside, the art is lazy, the writing is horrible, etc... previews aren't perfect, but better than nothing. And, well, I thought I did ok with previews out there for my book. ;)

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TheLastBard said

Both of 'em.

Look, I can understand some people don't like previews, but a lot of people do... When it comes to ordering product, for stores or otherwise, unless you know the creative team already (past work), see a preview, or read stellar reviews, what's the likelihood you're going to buy the book? I mean you can always hope that people will look at the cover and maybe give it a shot, but then we're back to the short attention span... Cover could be great, just like a preview, but it doesn't mean the content overall is good. It's always the risk you're going to take, but I'd rather look at a preview than buy something based on a cover and have it turn out that the artist inside is different or something stupid like that.... In many instances I've seen covers done by the same team, but when you look inside, the art is lazy, the writing is horrible, etc... previews aren't perfect, but better than nothing. And, well, I thought I did ok with previews out there for my book. ;)
I would've been very happy to see previews of many books I purchased just on the basis of the covers. Like a lot of these books that have covers by Alex Ross. Many times publishers put fantastic covers on books and give you mediocre artists doing the interiors. I guess what I'm saying here is I agree wiith Erik, for this space in time…
 

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As I mentioned before, I'm not against having previews in a publication or zine, I just think it's short sighted to have that be ALL you have there. Why limit yourself when you can have so much more? Extra content gives people more of a reason to download it, putting more eyes on the zine in the first place.

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GRIMJIM said

I would've been very happy to see previews of many books I purchased just on the basis of the covers. Like a lot of these books that have covers by Alex Ross. Many times publishers put fantastic covers on books and give you mediocre artists doing the interiors. I guess what I'm saying here is I agree wiith Erik, for this space in time…
 

Man, that annoys the hell out of me, too…. Alex Ross covers and mediocre interiors… Jae Lee covers and blah interiors, etc…. I've had some books I've purchased based on what was said in previews and they're usually pretty good about who did the cover and who did the interior… sometimes misleading, too, because they could list multiple artists and the good one did layouts while some hack did the rest…
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Hey, if you want to see another wordy post, check out my real blog…. Erik Hendrix is The Last Bard

 :devil: ← WORDY DEVIL!

"Really evil. Like so evil, that you would say it was E-VEEL, like it's the FRU-ETS of the DEV-EEL. E-VEEL." - So I Married An Axe Murderer… If you didn't know that, you should be shot… or go rent it.

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you mean the blog you started here isn't real?

 :sinner:

Oh, did I mention: SELF PUBLISHER! MAGAZINE?

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The blog I started here is real, too, but I think I'm going to try to keep it generally DS specific… we'll see how long that lasts. ;)

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Hmmmm...I do believe I've heard of that title somewhere...

GJ


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AIPman1 said


Oh, did I mention: SELF PUBLISHER! MAGAZINE?

You did. A couple of times. But does that magazine fit the bill we've been discussing here? I don't know. I've read a couple of issues of SP and it doesn't seem to. Not disparaging the mag at all because I like it perfectly fine, but first and foremost, what I'm proposing is an ezine. I think for one thing doing something of this nature is cost prohibitive if you're using a print model. Not to mention I don't know about anyone else, but I have access to WAY more email addresses than I do home addresses. Distribution would be fairly simple that way. If you had regular content, GOOD content, interesting stuff in other words, folks would respond to that.

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Looks to me like if SP is lacking in what we could use here, there could always be a digital version of it made as well, one that's not printed, has more pages, and covers more bases?  Some people at cons and such could find a printed version very handy, of course, and maybe it's something we can pass around through our local chapters (when they exist), to local shops, etc…

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TheLastBard said

Looks to me like if SP is lacking in what we could use here, there could always be a digital version of it made as well, one that's not printed, has more pages, and covers more bases?  Some people at cons and such could find a printed version very handy, of course, and maybe it's something we can pass around through our local chapters (when they exist), to local shops, etc…

Thing is doing it digitally has less overhead, but you could always print up a short run for whatever con you wanted to take it to. You can rock COLOR with the digital version, and depending on what size you chose to go with it wouldn't be that nasty cost wise on the POD for cons runs either.

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Well, We'll just see what people think when we get it rolling now….there's nothing you guys have said I'm not planning/doing, so…proof in pudding.

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Ian's bein' sneaky!

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Then.of course, we'd have to get a staff going for a new pdf publication...

GJ


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GRIMJIM said

Then.of course, we'd have to get a staff going for a new pdf publication...

GJ


Or you could convert the current publication to that format saving you the time and trouble of restaffing.

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TheLastBard said

Ian's bein' sneaky!

you'll get used to that, Bard, the Last.

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possumgirl said

TheLastBard said

Ian's bein' sneaky!

you'll get used to that, Bard, the Last.

Uh huh.  :ninja:  :ninja:

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Cary said

GRIMJIM said

Then.of course, we'd have to get a staff going for a new pdf publication...

GJ


Or you could convert the current publication to that format saving you the time and trouble of restaffing.
CONVERT WHAT?!?!?! We're rolling on it already, geez!

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AIPman1 said

CONVERT WHAT?!?!?! We're rolling on it already, geez!

Well how would I know? Last issue of SP I saw was print and a while back. Since then there hasn't been much in the way of info.

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you will have info soon. everyone will.

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